{"id":6499,"date":"2012-07-31T00:00:04","date_gmt":"2012-07-31T00:00:04","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/?p=6499"},"modified":"2013-07-20T11:58:29","modified_gmt":"2013-07-20T11:58:29","slug":"feature-testament-07-12","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/feature-testament-07-12\/","title":{"rendered":"TESTAMENT – Dark Roots Of Thrash (July 2012) | Features \/ Interviews @ Metal Forces Magazine"},"content":{"rendered":"

TESTAMENT – Dark Roots Of Thrash<\/strong><\/span>
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Attempting to pen new compositions that would form a tenth studio full-length, Testament guitarist and founder Eric Peterson encountered problems gathering initial track ideas at home. Influenced by heroes such as Black Sabbath<\/a> and Led Zeppelin<\/a> who often ventured into rural areas in search of inspiration, Eric stayed at the home of producer and Sabbat \/ Hell guitarist Andy Sneap in Derbyshire, England for a one-week duration.<\/p>\n

\u201cWhen I came to the country side of the Midlands where Andy lives, everything opened up for me,\u201d Eric beams. \u201cAndy helped me with his really vast knowledge of programmes (laughs), working with this programme called Toontracks, helping me find drum beats and stuff like that for some of the riffs that I had. I actually went there twice; the first time I came home with nine ideas, and then the second time I came home with six to seven ideas. Some of them were songs that were pretty much all the way through and some of them were just riffs with a beat on them, but it was a good starting point. I made CDs, and gave them to everybody in the band. We worked on them. <\/p>\n

\u201cAlex would come out, and we would sit down together \u2013 just him and I \u2013 working out riffs, kind of like we used to do when we were younger. That was kind of cool. Rather than me showing up and saying to the band \u2018Okay, here\u2019s how you do it. Here\u2019s your beat,\u2019 we sat down and put the guitars together, and found the right melodies. A lot of the rhythms are the same on both sides, but we tried to get stuff where we were playing different things \u2013 two guitars \u2013 to make it a little more atmospheric. Working out the lead sections this time, there\u2019s a lot of soloing going on on this record done by Alex and myself. I\u2019m playing a lot more solos on this record as well, so we worked that out and yeah, took it from there.\u201d<\/p>\n

Eric\u2019s Derbyshire sojourn planted the seeds for July 2012 record Dark Roots Of Earth<\/em><\/a>, but not all of these initial track ideas surfaced on the album\u2019s final track listing. \u201cActually, there\u2019s a song that I thought was kick ass,\u201d the axeman reveals. \u201cHalf of the guys liked it, but Chuck didn\u2019t like it. I don\u2019t know. I ended up using it as a Dragonlord song, and changed it around a little bit. I was thinking to myself \u2018I really can hear a choir, I can hear strings, and I can hear French horns.\u2019 I could hear all of the things that I ended up putting on top of it. By changing it around, changing the key around, I ended up getting a record deal with that thing on tape (laughs). It\u2019s kind of funny, and then there are some other riffs as well. <\/p>\n

\u201cI had this one riff which really sounded like \u2018Gates Of Babylon\u2019 by Rainbow (from April 1978\u2019s Long Live Rock \u2019N\u2019 Roll<\/em>), but a little bit different. I\u2019m kind of surprised that that didn\u2019t make it on there. It was kind of like \u2018Gates Of Babylon\u2019 but with the playing of \u2018Immigrant Song\u2019 by Led Zeppelin (from October 1970\u2019s Led Zeppelin III<\/em>). It had that rhythmic sound to it, but it was kind of like \u2018Gates Of Babylon\u2019. It was pretty cool, so I think that\u2019ll probably be on the next record. There were a couple of other ones that were really good that we didn\u2019t use. So yeah, there are probably \u2013 now that I\u2019m thinking about that demo \u2013 about five or six songs that we didn\u2019t use that were just riffs that we didn\u2019t put together. <\/p>\n

\u201cThere was a song that was actually written called \u2018Merciful Desecration\u2019, and it\u2019s probably one of the heavier… It\u2019s really, really got this \u2018A Dangerous Meeting\u2019 meets \u2018Desecration Of Souls\u2019 (both from September 1984\u2019s Don\u2019t Break The Oath<\/em>) kind of Mercyful Fate sound to it, but then the lead section kind of goes into this \u2018First Strike Is Deadly\u2019 (from April 1987 Testament debut The Legacy<\/em>) where it\u2019s got this more classical kind of progression with the chord sections going from B to F sharp to A back to B. It has counterpoints as well. It was just like \u2018Man, this is gonna be so awesome,\u2019 but we never got the vocals done. That song is actually ready to go. All Chuck has gotta do is sing on it, so we\u2019re kinda saving it I guess for something. We tried to see what we could do about getting it on the record, because we kept pushing the record back. <\/p>\n

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\u201cWe kept thinking \u2018We\u2019ll get to that song,\u2019 but we never did because we kept adding in the covers. We did a song in Spanish (\u2018Native Blood\u2019), we did an extended version which was already done anyway (of \u2018Throne Of Thorns\u2019), and we did \u2018Practice What You Preach\u2019 for Japan, so there\u2019s a lot of extra stuff we\u2019ve got on the extended version which I think is the one everybody should buy for \u00a32 more, \u20ac3 more, or whatever it is. The amount of material on there and the packaging alone is just worth it.\u201d<\/p>\n

Songwriting sessions for Dark Roots Of Earth<\/em> mark the first occasion where initial Testament album track ideas weren\u2019t authored within a home setting. \u201cIt\u2019s funny, because I had been reading a lot of autobiographies,\u201d Eric shares. \u201cI just read Tony Iommi\u2019s (Iron Man<\/em>, October 2011), I read Ozzy\u2019s (I Am Ozzy<\/em>, January 2010)… A lot of different ones too\u2026 What else did I read?… Joey Kramer from Aerosmith (Hit Hard<\/em>, June 2009). I read the AC\/DC one. The one that intrigued me though was the Ozzy one or Judas Priest, seeing some of their stuff where they talk about renting castles. When they\u2019d do their records they\u2019d rent a house, a castle or something. They would get out of their element, and go somewhere different. I was like \u2018That\u2019s what I wanna do,\u2019 and it was funny because right at that time I was like \u2018I\u2019m gonna book a flight; I\u2019m gonna go to England, and I\u2019m gonna stay at Andy\u2019s house that was built in the 16th century and is surrounded by greenery (laughs).\u2019 Just how green it is, and the animals. It\u2019s awesome, and it worked. I almost told myself that that was what was gonna happen, that that was how I was gonna make it happen.\u201d<\/p>\n

Eric and fellow guitarist Alex Skolnick additionally returned to their old method of composing tunes, the two convening together at Driftwood Studios in Oakland, California. \u201cIt was just time, you know?,\u201d the co-founder reasons. \u201cWith the last album (April 2008\u2019s The Formation Of Damnation<\/em>), I wrote pretty much 90% of it. I don\u2019t have a problem with that, but I really think \u2013 especially since it takes so long to come up with ideas \u2013 I really need Alex\u2019s input. I know just from talking with him on tour and stuff about what we wanted to do, this record needed to be a team effort between Alex and I. It isn\u2019t as though the whole record was written like that, but I think we wrote four songs together (\u2018Dark Roots Of Earth\u2019, \u2018True American Hate\u2019, \u2018A Day In The Death\u2019, and \u2018Throne Of Thorns\u2019) and I composed the rest. It helped a lot, and it made for a more epic, diverse record. Epic, you can definitely say that. This record\u2019s very epic.\u201d<\/p>\n

Dark Roots Of Earth<\/em> arguably boasts greater variety than predecessor The Formation Of Damnation<\/em>, Eric feels. \u201cIt\u2019s a darker, epic… It\u2019s the cooler brother of it,\u201d he critiques. \u201cThe Formation<\/em> is good, a good comeback record. I think The Gathering<\/em> (June 1999) was the record that set the bar, like \u2018Okay, here\u2019s Testament now. This is where they should be,\u2019 and I think the world agreed. We got on all of the festivals three to four years after that. We didn\u2019t have to come back with a new record, although they asked us for one. Getting the original line-up back together with The Formation<\/em>, and then bringing in the ideology of The New Order<\/em> (May 1988) and Practice What You Preach<\/em> (August 1989) \u2013 that kind of singing and that kind of sound, but with the way we did The Gathering<\/em> \u2013 I think all mixed together. That\u2019s kind of where we were with The Formation<\/em>. We\u2019re taking that same vibe but going a little bit darker, more melodic, and a little bit more epic which is what I\u2019ve always wanted to do anyway. We just couldn\u2019t push it too much on everybody first, and I told everybody this too. When we put out The Formation<\/em>, they were asking about the next record. \u2018How are you gonna top that?\u2019 I go \u2018This record is setting up the next one.\u2019<\/p>\n

\u201cIt was pressure, but it was good pressure. I don\u2019t know what it\u2019s gonna sound like on its first listen because I\u2019ve heard it so many times, but I remember when I first came up with the riffs. I remember the feeling, like \u2018Yes, this is cool.\u2019 When you\u2019re writing a song, and you\u2019ve got that feeling… When you wake up and you open your eyes, and you wake up the next day… For some reason I had this feeling \u2018There\u2019s something cool going on,\u2019 like \u2018Oh yeah, we\u2019ve got these new songs. Cool.\u2019 That\u2019s always a good starting point, knowing that you\u2019re gonna have a good record.\u201d<\/p>\n

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The guitarist\u2019s lead contributions for Testament began with sixth studio outing Low<\/em> (October 1994). This was the first studio effort to be issued following Alex\u2019s 1993 departure, Alex returning to the Testament fold in 2005. \u201cMe and (James) Murphy were kinda back and forth, trading off,\u201d he recalls. \u201cWe were joking around, like \u2018I\u2019m Michael Schenker and you\u2019re Uli (Jon Roth)\u2019 (laughs). We were like \u2018That\u2019s kinda cool.\u2019 On Demonic<\/em> (June 1997) I did all of the solos on my own, and with The Gathering<\/em> we didn\u2019t have any solos. I don\u2019t know, but that record just seemed to flow without them. When Alex came back that was a big part, but I was like \u2018Look, I\u2019ve been playing solos. I would like to… You\u2019ll have the bigger ones, and I\u2019ll do these other ones around here.\u2019 <\/p>\n

\u201cThis time around I\u2019m like \u2018Look, \u2018More Than Meets The Eye\u2019 really went over well, and that\u2019s like back to back.\u2019 I think the first one that we did was \u2018True American Hate\u2019, and both of the solos are super-long but they\u2019re back to back. They both really hold up to each other; mine holds up to Alex\u2019s, which is weird because it\u2019s shredding as well. Usually I\u2019m doing more a thematic kind of solo, like the beginning of \u2018Cold Embrace\u2019. That beginning solo was more what I\u2019m used to doing, more of a thematic, melodic, bluesy kind of thing but with the shredding stuff.<\/p>\n

\u201cI\u2019ve really let the listeners hear what I\u2019ve done, and it really sounds good. I\u2019m pretty proud of it. How we go about it though is basically starting off, when we get the song I will usually initiate the lead section and go \u2018Okay, where do you want to play? Do you want to play right here? Do you want to play this rhythm?\u2019 Once he\u2019s sorted, I kind of go \u2018Okay. I\u2019m thinking I\u2019m gonna do mine right here.\u2019 Then sometimes he\u2019ll go \u2018Well… I wanna do that,\u2019 so I\u2019ll go \u2018Okay… Then I\u2019ll do the other one\u2019 (laughs). It usually works out pretty good though. Alex was really supportive this time, which made me feel good because I definitely don\u2019t wanna seem like I\u2019m stepping on his toes because I do so much of the guitar stuff. I don\u2019t wanna be like a hog but we\u2019re trading solos now, so it\u2019s kind of cool.\u201d<\/p>\n

January 2009 tome The 100 Greatest Guitarists<\/em> by UK scribe Joel McIver features Eric at position 36. \u201cI didn\u2019t know I was in there,\u201d Eric admits. \u201cIs Alex in there too?\u201d<\/p>\n

Yes (at position 13). \u201cOkay. Wow. Usually I get dissed, and I\u2019m not in there (laughs). I don\u2019t look at those things… and that\u2019s another thing too. I\u2019ve been doing this for 25 years, and what\u2019s kind of puzzling to me is I started the band. I\u2019m a rhythm guitar player. I write most of the songs but the way people look at lead guitar players, it\u2019s like \u2018Oh, that\u2019s the main guy.\u2019 I\u2019ve always been kinda overlooked in a way, and I didn\u2019t really recognise it until a lot of people started pointing it out to me. I was like \u2018Yeah… How come? What\u2019s up with that?\u2019 It shouldn\u2019t be \u2018You can\u2019t play leads,\u2019 or \u2018You\u2019re just a rhythm guy\u2019 or whatever. This is a band. It\u2019s gonna make the band sound better having everybody contribute to their full potential really, but that\u2019s cool. That\u2019s cool that I\u2019m in there I guess.\u201d<\/p>\n

The musician\u2019s confidence surfaced following Alex\u2019s temporary departure. \u201cIt wasn\u2019t a personal thing, but it was almost like we were younger and and we weren\u2019t mature enough to talk about it,\u201d he muses. \u201cEven with Alex, he didn\u2019t know how to say \u2018Hey, I wanna do this jazz thing.\u2019 He just let it fester for years, and finally he did it. He should\u2019ve just done it a long time ago, but now we talk about things and we schedule things. Getting back to your question though, yeah, definitely. It was healthy for the band for Alex to go his own way. It made him grow up and do the things that he wanted to do, and it let me as a guitar player play more of the music. To keep Alex in the band and keep him happy was becoming a compromise, and was compromising the Testament sound. You\u2019ve got to also remember he was turning into a jazz guitar player and playing metal. We didn\u2019t all understand it, and he probably didn\u2019t understand it. <\/p>\n

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\u201cThat was like me when I put Dragonlord together; if I didn\u2019t put Dragonlord together, I would probably be trying to put all of these black metal riffs into Testament because that\u2019s what I like. It was healthy for me to do that with Dragonlord though, because when I came back to Testament I was like \u2018Okay, I can be in Testament now. I\u2019ve got this fucking itch out of my butt.\u2019 I got it out of me. For all those purposes and whatever bad things, reasons for us separating, it definitely let everything air out. There wasn\u2019t so much smoke being built up.\u201d<\/p>\n

Dark Roots Of Earth<\/em> sees the return of Gene Hoglan (Dethklok \/ ex-Death \/ ex-Dark Angel \/ ex-Strapping Young Lad) behind the drumkit, 1997\u2019s Demonic<\/em> including his contributions. \u201cHaving Gene onboard is awesome,\u201d Eric enthuses. \u201cHe\u2019s not onboard permanently though because he\u2019s doing Dethklok right now, but for him to come back and do the record with me… Demonic<\/em> was awesome and we had a great time, but that record was a totally different record than what we\u2019re doing now. I think both of us have gotten so much better as players and learnt a lot, and I think we taught each other a lot when we worked together. For him to come back and to work with him again, we both knew each other and we actually had a good experience. It was a lot of fun because Gene is a pro, a real pro.\u201d<\/p>\n

\u201cHe\u2019s breaking boundaries for Testament, definitely, with blastbeats,\u201d the axe-slinger continues. \u201cIn the ballad (\u2018Cold Embrace\u2019) \u2013 the slower song \u2013 it\u2019s so dynamic what he\u2019s doing. There\u2019s so many ghost notes and there\u2019s rolls, and there\u2019s some of this catchy cymbal stuff that he\u2019s doing. Really cool stuff that Neil Peart (Rush) would do or Carter Beauford (Dave Matthews Band), stuff like that, and then mixing it in with what we\u2019re doing. Dynamically it\u2019s just a whole other ball game, and what he brings is what I\u2019m fantasising. Some of the drummers that I\u2019ve worked with in the past definitely had what I wanted, but Gene really had every little thing I wanted. Gene delivered, so that was pretty killer.\u201d<\/p>\n

The permanence of Gene\u2019s Testament membership is uncertain. \u201cNo, he\u2019s not a member right now,\u201d Eric divulges. \u201cHe is a member (laughs), but it\u2019s kind of tricky. We\u2019re trying to work it out \u2013 get our schedules together, and make it all happen \u2013 but for the most part yeah, he\u2019s a member. We\u2019re trying to get all the scheduling right.\u201d<\/p>\n

Chuck Billy contributed a strong vocal performance for Dark Roots Of Earth<\/em>. \u201cI think he returned back to his glory days, getting even more melodic with it and writing a lot more mature lyrics, adding more realism to what we\u2019re talking about,\u201d the songwriter reckons. \u201cI really like what he\u2019s doing; mixing it up with the heavier stuff, but keeping it very melodic.\u201d<\/p>\n

Chuck\u2019s vocals hearken back to Practice What You Preach<\/em>. \u201cYeah, and that\u2019s kind of everybody\u2019s favourite period, but musically mixing it up with the style of The Gathering<\/em>, with that kind of singing,\u201d Eric deems. \u201cI think it\u2019s a good combination.\u201d<\/p>\n

Chuck penned lyrics with longtime collaborator Del James, a portion of Dark Roots Of Earth<\/em>\u2019s words occupying the fantasy realm. \u201cProbably \u2018Cold Embrace\u2019, \u2018Throne Of Thorns\u2019,\u201d the axeman ventures. \u201cThere are some other ones that are fantasy\u2019ish, but there\u2019s a lot of realism to them. They\u2019re not pinpointed to a certain time or date, but are more of an idea. \u2018Throne Of Thorns\u2019 is based on the book A Game Of Thrones<\/em> (1996, George R.R. Martin), and we also did a song like that in the past. It\u2019s called \u2018Hatred\u2019s Rise\u2019 (from Demonic<\/em>), which was about the Hand Of The King (Lord Eddard Stark) and spoke from his point of view. This new one is more about the king\u2019s point of view. If you\u2019re a fan, if you know about A Game Of Thrones \u2013 if you\u2019ve read the book or seen the series \u2013 the song kind of has that vibe.\u201d<\/p>\n

Mayan prophecies figure as well. \u201cThere\u2019s definitely some of that going on on the cover, and the title track \u2018Dark Roots Of Earth\u2019 talks about that,\u201d Eric clarifies.<\/p>\n

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April 2012 marked the 25th anniversary of debut album The Legacy<\/em>, an anniversary that should be celebrated. \u201cThis record\u2019s coming out, and that\u2019s kind of a little bit of that and then some covers,\u201d the co-founder believes. \u201cWe did a re-recording for Japan (\u2018Practice What You Preach\u2019), but it wasn\u2019t something off of The Legacy<\/em>. It\u2019s a good idea. I don\u2019t know… We\u2019ll have to think about that one. I know we\u2019re planning on doing something. We actually played all of The Legacy<\/em> in England in 2010, I think; we did The Legacy<\/em> and The New Order<\/em> back to back.\u201d<\/p>\n

The deluxe edition digipack version of Dark Roots Of Earth<\/em> includes three cover interpretations; The Scorpions cut \u2018Animal Magnetism\u2019 (originally from the March 1980 album of the same name), Queen tune \u2018Dragon Attack\u2019 (originally from June 1980\u2019s The Game<\/em>), and Iron Maiden composition \u2018Powerslave\u2019 (originally from the September 1984 album of the same name). \u201cWe chose a certain era, but we wanted to do something and make those songs sound more like they\u2019re our songs rather than doing some kind of karaoke version,\u201d Eric explains. \u201c\u2018Animal Magnetism\u2019 we tuned down to B; that song is really hypnotic, and came out great. It really sounds like one of our songs now. <\/p>\n

\u201c\u2018Dragon Attack\u2019 is just crazy, if you know it. It\u2019s Queen changing from their \u2018Bohemian Rhapsody\u2019 (from November 1975\u2019s A Night At The Opera<\/em>) kind of songs with the singing to their more commercial songs like \u2018Another One Bites The Dust\u2019 (also from The Game<\/em>), mixing it up. We approached it like \u2018What would Ministry do to it?\u2019 Not that we sound like Ministry, but just the idea of \u2018Okay, this is how we\u2019re gonna approach it.\u2019 It sounds like Testament. You probably wouldn\u2019t even recognise it. Alex does the whole end part on \u2018Dragon Attack\u2019. I do this thing with the drums in the beginning by myself, which is with the riff and with the wah-wah pedal which sounds pretty cool. \u2018Powerslave\u2019, I actually do the first solo on that one. That one came out really good. \u2018Powerslave\u2019 is \u2018Powerslave\u2019; you can\u2019t really reinvent that one, but we definitely got that one right. It\u2019s pretty modern.\u201d<\/p>\n

On March 8th, 2012, it was publicly announced that Dragonlord \u2013 Eric\u2019s black metal side project \u2013 had inked a record contract with Spinefarm Records \/ Universal. \u201cI\u2019m pretty excited about it because we have a lot of material that we\u2019ve been writing over the years,\u201d the guitarist informs. \u201cI definitely didn\u2019t wanna take this long, but I\u2019ve been so busy with Testament. We\u2019re finally now gonna enter the studio, and get it done. It\u2019s gonna be definitely along the lines of what we did before, but kind of what Testament did I guess; a lot more melodic, and more epic. It\u2019s planned for around Halloween, but I don\u2019t know. We\u2019ll see.\u201d<\/p>\n

Dark Roots Of Earth<\/em> was released on July 27th, 2012 in Europe and on the 31st in North America, all through Nuclear Blast Records.<\/p>\n

Interview published in July 2012. All promotional photographs by Dean Karr.<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

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