{"id":12442,"date":"2013-03-18T00:00:40","date_gmt":"2013-03-18T00:00:40","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/?p=12442"},"modified":"2013-06-12T16:30:36","modified_gmt":"2013-06-12T16:30:36","slug":"feature-cannibal-corpse-03-13-pt2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/feature-cannibal-corpse-03-13-pt2\/","title":{"rendered":"CANNIBAL CORPSE – 1988-2013: 25 Years Of Metal, Part Two (March 2013) | Features \/ Interviews @ Metal Forces Magazine"},"content":{"rendered":"
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Lyrics penned during Chris\u2019 tenure pushed the envelope to its very extremities, perhaps too much so in the case of numbers like \u2018Necropedophile\u2019 (from Tomb Of The Mutilated<\/em>). \u201cIt\u2019s totally disgusting, yeah,\u201d Alex recognises. \u201cThat\u2019s a sick and appalling song, for sure (laughs). He was never writing any of these lyrics from the point of view that the characters in the songs were cool though, or were people that he related to. I don\u2019t wanna speak for him too much, but he\u2019s not into any of that stuff. It\u2019s just interesting stuff to write about. If you have a movie with evil characters, people understand that the guy who made the movie doesn\u2019t relate to those characters. If you have a horror novel with evil characters in it \u2013 like a horror novel that features a rapist or a killer or a molester \u2013 you understand that the author doesn\u2019t relate to those characters, and isn\u2019t espousing that type of behaviour. Neither are we. You have horror movies, and you have horror novels. Death metal is a type of horror music, and we\u2019re not saying that any of the characters in our songs are people that we admire. <\/p>\n

\u201cThey\u2019re fictional characters, but still described in a way that can be quite realistic. Unfortunately, things like what happen in our songs have happened in real life. We don\u2019t admire that kind of behaviour at all, but we\u2019re trying to make horror here. We\u2019re not trying to make a happy story; we\u2019re trying to make a negative, frightening story, and that requires sometimes very disturbing imagery. Chris never wanted to limit myself though, and he didn\u2019t. You can see it in the lyrics that he wrote. He had no limits and some of it is really disturbing for that reason, but it\u2019s what he felt he needed to do. Those song lyrics are the way he wanted them to be, but it\u2019s not a reflection on his character or anything. He\u2019s just a normal guy like anybody else, but he didn\u2019t want to be limited. <\/p>\n

\u201cWe still feel that way, although I\u2019d have to say for sure that we generally don\u2019t go as extreme as he did, especially on the first couple of records. The second and third probably had the most disturbing lyrics of all of the records, and that was just Chris being completely unfettered. We gave him complete freedom. We said \u2018Dude, write about whatever you want. It\u2019s fiction. Just do it.\u2019 If he needed to write something really disturbing, we didn\u2019t stop him. He just went all out, and the results are there. It can be pretty gross at times, but I think the important thing for people to realise is that we know it\u2019s gross and disturbing enough. We don\u2019t wanna promote that sort of thing at all though. We\u2019re not into promoting any kind of violence in the real world; this is strictly a fictional, escapist kind of entertainment.\u201d<\/p>\n

Chris expressed an interest in performing staple cut \u2018Hammer Smashed Face\u2019 as a live duet with current vocalist George \u2018Corpsegrinder\u2019 Fisher during a 2007 interview. \u201cI\u2019m not totally against the idea,\u201d the Cannibal Corpse co-founder considers. \u201cIt\u2019s really something that the whole band would have to talk about, to see if they all wanted to do it. Me personally, I think it would be okay to maybe do that once at the right show, maybe a big festival or something. I wouldn\u2019t rule it out, but the main decision ends up lying with George because George is our singer and has been for a long, long time. I would wanna make sure that he\u2019d be comfortable with that. It\u2019s up to him. The main vote on sharing the microphone is with George, because that\u2019s his job.\u201d<\/p>\n

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A one-off, fully fledged concert performance with Chris in celebration of the outfit\u2019s early years would perhaps be a step too far, however. \u201cDoing songs where Chris was onstage with us and George wasn\u2019t would be too much,\u201d Alex contends. \u201cGeorge is the singer of Cannibal Corpse, and has been since 1995. That\u2019s a tremendous history in its own right. We\u2019re quite a veteran band at this point. How many years is that now that\u2019s been with us? I\u2019m thinking of the maths right now… It\u2019s like… what? 18 years?\u201d<\/p>\n

A long time. \u201cIt\u2019s been a long time,\u201d the bassist agrees. \u201cLike I said, it\u2019s George\u2019s microphone. Once Cannibal Corpse gets onstage, George has the mike and anybody else onstage is a guest of his (laughs). He would be the one to make the decision on anybody else being up there putting their mouth with the mike.\u201d<\/p>\n

Credit where credit is due, George is an energetic live performer. \u201cGeorge has his own thing up there,\u201d Alex observes. \u201cHe\u2019s totally a super high-speed headbanger. He\u2019s just built for it; he\u2019s genetically gifted for headbanging (laughs). He\u2019s got a neck that\u2019s just as thick as his head, so he\u2019s really built to headbang (laughs). He does a damn good job of that, and people seem to notice. I guess how could they not. If you\u2019re watching our band, you\u2019re gonna notice what George is doing up there. He does a great job of it.\u201d<\/p>\n

George\u2019s Cannibal Corpse membership dates as far back as late 1995, the vocalist figuring among the line-up of Fort Lauderdale, Florida-based death metal group Monstrosity at the time of his inclusion. \u201cWe had thought that George was a great singer in Monstrosity for a long time,\u201d the four-stringer effuses. \u201cChris had already started Six Feet Under \u2013 this was 1995. Chris had had Six Feet Under going for several months, and they had just put out their debut Haunted<\/em> (September 1995). They were gonna go on a tour in October of \u201995, and he was gonna record all of his vocals for our album Vile<\/em> (May 1996)… At the time Vile was tentatively titled Created To Kill<\/em>, and so he was gonna do all of the vocals for that and then go on tour. We wound up having so much difficulty with him in the studio, going back and forth on various things. We just weren\u2019t really happy with how things were sounding. He didn\u2019t even get done with half of it before he left, so once he left to go do the Six Feet Under tour, he was gonna come home at the end of the month and finish it. During that time though, we decided that he needed to be replaced. This was back before any of us had cellphones, or anything. <\/p>\n

\u201cWe just had to wait for him to get home to tell him. We got George down there probably the second week of October I think, and started rewriting lyrics. We knew we were just gonna rewrite all of the lyrics that Chris had written, and just use different ones. We renamed a lot of the songs, and just had completely different concepts for some of them. We had already started working with George before Chris knew, just simply because we couldn\u2019t inform him until he got home and I could call him at his house. Once he did get home I called him, and George was actually in the room with me when I called him. I just let Chris know, like \u2018Hey man… We\u2019ve been thinking about it, and we want to make a change. We want to get a different singer.\u2019 He was like \u2018That\u2019s cool man. I was gonna quit anyway.\u2019 That\u2019s what he told me. <\/p>\n

\u201cI think he\u2019d been feeling the stress too, and then he had Six Feet Under going. He was getting along really well with those guys and having a lot of fun with that, and had just done a successful tour together. We initiated the split, but he didn\u2019t seem at all bothered by it and that\u2019s how it went. George ended up stepping up and doing a great job, and the rest of it you probably already know. He\u2019s been with us this whole time. Chris went and did Six Feet Under and had a great deal of success with that too. It wound up being a very controversial split, but I think the fans wound up having two bands that they can enjoy instead of just one. That\u2019s the positive way I want to put it to people who miss Chris being in our band (laughs). I\u2019ve seen him do some of those old Cannibal songs with Six Feet. That\u2019s his band. We\u2019ve got our band, and that\u2019s where it\u2019s at.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Talk persists that Cannibal Corpse wished to venture in a more technical musical direction, while Chris personally wished to pursue a relatively straightforward musical direction. \u201cNo,\u201d Alex refutes. \u201cThere\u2019s not really… I think that Chris preferred more straightforward stuff, and you can see with the Six Feet stuff being mostly a very straightforward type of death metal, that that just really gelled for him. I think playing with those guys and that kind of music worked out better for him. For sure, George… Monstrosity was a more technical band than Cannibal Corpse, and especially then, they were definitely ahead of us in that department. We knew that George would be able to be the guy who could do that kind of stuff as we started to head in that direction. <\/p>\n

\u201cDefinitely me personally, I was very interested in the technical side of music and I wanted that to start working its way into our band. I had already started to work it in, starting with Tomb Of The Mutilated<\/em>. Really, some of those songs were fairly technical compared to what we had done. It\u2019s nothing that Chris minded at all, I don\u2019t think. I know he definitely was a fan of the more groove-oriented stuff, but that wasn\u2019t a reason for the split. I didn\u2019t think so, anyway. Maybe if he felt that way, that wasn\u2019t something that I remember him expressing to us. It was more us just wanting to get somebody else in the band. We had had a handful of personal problems with Chris, and then the musical problems were really the big reason we wanted him out.\u201d<\/p>\n

The noughties and beyond have witnessed Cannibal Corpse further cementing its death metal legacy. \u201cIt does seem like we\u2019ve been able to seem solid,\u201d the mainman notes. \u201cBasically over the last ten years, it\u2019s gotten to the point where I\u2019m not that concerned that I\u2019m gonna have to go get a job washing dishes somewhere or something like that (laughs). From a business point of view, over the last probably maybe not ten years… It seems like things have gotten pretty solid from maybe around 2005 onwards, to where we weren\u2019t constantly worried about that. It seems like we\u2019re here to stay. I guess that seems very obvious to someone looking in from the outside at us (laughs). From the inside you\u2019re always worried about it though, at least I am. I\u2019m just that kind of a pessimistic personality where I feel like something could go wrong, that at any moment it will all be over (laughs). Having this kind of a career, playing our favourite kind of music, and making a living out of it seems like it\u2019s too good to be true. Every now and then, I\u2019m like \u2018When are we gonna wake up from this dream?\u2019 <\/p>\n

\u201cWe\u2019re playing our favourite kind of music and it\u2019s our career, and we\u2019re one of the biggest \u2013 if not the biggest band \u2013 in the genre. It\u2019s miraculous, really. It\u2019s not anything we could ever have expected when we first got started. It\u2019s a big deal, to somehow become one of the biggest or maybe the biggest band in this genre. We didn\u2019t think it would be us when we started. I thought it would be one of the other big bands, but somehow we\u2019ve kept it together. A lot of these other bands took time off through line-up changes and things like that, and pursued other projects. We never took any time off. I think out of all of the death metal bands we might be the one with the most full-length studio albums, definitely one of the ones that has the most albums. We\u2019ve never had a hiatus; we might take like two months off at the end of an album cycle just to get away from each other and start writing new material, but other than that, we\u2019re just constantly working together on either writing new material or touring.\u201d<\/p>\n

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A 13th studio opus is planned. \u201cWe\u2019re gonna do another one \u2013 we won\u2019t be waiting long,\u201d Alex confirms. \u201cWe\u2019re probably gonna finish up touring in July. We\u2019re then gonna just stay home and write a new album, and hopefully record it in the early part of 2014 so that we can get back out and start touring again later in 2014. Maybe around summer time. No breaks, you know what I mean (laughs). There\u2019s been any talk of us saying \u2018Oh, let\u2019s take a year off.\u2019 We\u2019ve never done that (laughs). It\u2019s not in our DNA, to take time off like that.\u201d<\/p>\n

At the time of writing, only riffs have been authored. \u201cWe don\u2019t have any complete songs, unless maybe Pat or Rob have a complete song written that they haven\u2019t shown the rest of us,\u201d the rhythmist explains. \u201cAll of us have been working on riffs at home. I guess out of the three main riff writers in the band… Paul writes riffs sometimes, but mostly of course us string players are writing the riffs. Between the three of us, we haven\u2019t brought anything to the practice room to show the other guys. We\u2019ll really get started on that in full gear when we get home from all of the tours in July. Four days a week we\u2019ll be getting together, and writing music.\u201d<\/p>\n

Plans are at too early a stage to critique said riffs against Torture<\/em>\u2019s material. \u201cIt\u2019s way too early for that, but the chances are the record will be a continuation of what we did on Torture<\/em>,\u201d Alex surmises. \u201cWe really have tried to focus on giving each song its own character, and we try to accomplish that through a number of means. We try to have maybe a fast song, and then a mid-tempo song, and then a slow song, and then a fast song. That means there are a lot of ups and downs on the album. That kind of variety we managed to get on Torture I think you\u2019ll see continuing on the next record. It\u2019s all gonna be killer death metal, but it\u2019s not gonna be just one fast song after the other. There\u2019ll be a lot of ups and downs, and a lot of dynamics.\u201d<\/p>\n

How many additional milestones Cannibal Corpse will reach beyond its 25th anniversary is open to debate. \u201cIt\u2019s so hard to tell how long it will go, because like I said, we could never have imagined having a 25-year career,\u201d the co-founder reiterates. \u201cThat was just unheard of when we started this band \u2013 for any metal band, let alone a death metal band. To have a 25-year career, it simply didn\u2019t exist in 1988. We couldn\u2019t predict then what these 25 years have held for us, so I certainly can\u2019t predict where we\u2019re gonna be 25 years from now. I suspect retired. Simply put, this is physical music. It\u2019s athletic music, and in 25 years I\u2019ll be… Jeez… Almost 70. Am I really gonna be able to do a proper performance when I\u2019m in my 60s, of this type of music? I can\u2019t say for sure. <\/p>\n

\u201cI can say for sure that we\u2019re not quitting any time soon. We have no plans to quit, but I do believe that as we get into our 50s we are gonna wanna tour maybe a little bit less. At some point that\u2019s gonna have to happen. Simply, it would not be due to any mental fatigue. It would be due to physical fatigue. Mentally we\u2019re still very excited about playing this kind of music and about touring, but the facts are the facts (laughs). The reason that you don\u2019t have football players in their 50s is because a 25-year-old man\u2019s body is really a lot different from a 55-year-old\u2019s body. When you\u2019re dealing with a physical kind of music like death metal, it\u2019s something that we\u2019re gonna have to take into consideration.\u201d<\/p>\n

Cannibal Corpse tour quite prolifically nowadays even, in spite of being middle-aged as well as the death metal genre\u2019s physical nature. \u201cIn 2012, we did over 150 shows,\u201d Alex reflects. \u201cIt might have even been like 160 \u2013 I\u2019d have to tally them all up. We went all over the place, too. Within a year\u2019s time, we went to five continents; Asia, Australia. We did South America in December of 2011, so that was there, and then North America and Europe. So yeah, we do a lot of shows. I don\u2019t know the official count of all of our shows in total, but it\u2019s gotta be thousands I\u2019d think. Definitely over 1,000, maybe 2,000 and something. I don\u2019t know. It\u2019s been a lot (laughs). I think that\u2019s a key part of why we\u2019re around, and why we\u2019re doing well. We\u2019ve been really consistent both artistically in that all of our albums are death metal, and then we\u2019ve been consistent in our work ethic in that we\u2019ve never taken time off. I think our fans appreciate that, and they\u2019ve reacted to that over the years by sticking with us.\u201d<\/p>\n

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By comparison, most death metal veterans undertake more modest touring schedules. \u201cIt\u2019s hard to say why that is,\u201d the bassist ruminates. \u201cIt\u2019s a question that they\u2019re gonna have to answer. I think it could be that they don\u2019t like touring as much as we do. When we\u2019re due to leave for a tour, I\u2019m really excited about doing it. When we got done with the last tour, I was like \u2018Okay, I\u2019m ready to be home.\u2019 Now we\u2019ve been home for almost two months, and I\u2019m ready to go out again. I\u2019m itching to get back out there, and I\u2019ve only been home for two months after doing 150 shows in 2012 (laughs). I think we\u2019re just a bunch of guys who enjoy playing live, but maybe not everybody does. <\/p>\n

\u201cIt\u2019s not for everybody. The touring life can be kind of annoying sometimes, because you don\u2019t have a lot of personal space. You\u2019re sharing a bus with a whole bunch of people, and the older you get the less appealing that can be. A lot of guys do have kids and things like that, and are gonna wanna be home more and more to be a part of their lives. There could be any number of reasons, but we\u2019re definitely a band that loves to tour. Why some of the other bands don\u2019t as much, I\u2019m not sure. Nothing wrong with that, but for us it\u2019s just a huge part of our lives to get out there and play live.\u201d<\/p>\n

The outfit\u2019s personnel all bear working class roots. \u201cAll of us are from a working class \u2013 either a middle working class or lower working class \u2013 background, as far as the money that our families made,\u201d Alex divulges. \u201cMy family didn\u2019t have a colour TV until I was 17 or something like that, and I had never flown on a plane until a month before we made Cannibal Corpse. We\u2019re all from very modest backgrounds, and I think that having had to work jobs… I was going to college and then working in the summer, but the rest of the band all worked in construction before Cannibal Corpse did well enough for us to quit our jobs. When you\u2019ve had to work in the real world for a little while and then manage to do what you really wanna do for a living, you appreciate it that much more. I think if a band gets famous before they\u2019ve had a chance to actually work a regular job, they might not appreciate what they got quite as much as a band like us do. We all had to work regular jobs \u2013 my last job was in a factory. <\/p>\n

\u201cBefore we did our first tour for Butchered At Birth<\/em>… We didn\u2019t really tour for Eaten Back To Life<\/em>; we just did a handful of shows on the weekend in the United States around the East Coast, but we started doing real tours for Butchered At Birth<\/em> and that\u2019s when I was able to quit working. Man, I appreciated it. I couldn\u2019t believe we were actually getting paid to do something so much fun, and I\u2019ve never forgotten that. I\u2019ve never stopped appreciating how fun this is, and how lucky we are to do it. I think the other guys in the band feel that way. They\u2019ve all had to do stuff before. When Pat O\u2019Brien got in our band, he was painting houses out in the LA area. He had been in other bands, but not any band that could support him. When you finally do get lucky and you realise what the real world is like, to be able to be in this really great position of living your dream job \u2013 being in a band and playing in it \u2013 you really appreciate it, and you don\u2019t wanna squander that opportunity by being lazy. We\u2019ve tried to work as hard as we can, to take advantage of the good luck that we\u2019ve had.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Live commitments will perhaps gradually dwindle as Cannibal Corpse advances in years. \u201cI wouldn\u2019t go so far as to say we would never play live, but if we\u2019re ten years down the road I could see us touring a lot less \u2013 maybe doing festival appearances, and very short tours in select places,\u201d the four-stringer concedes. \u201cThe days of us doing 150-200 shows a year might be over in about ten years, but I don\u2019t think the band will be over. It would just be… Like I said, at some point the touring would have to be scaled back a bit I think. Then again though, I don\u2019t wanna make too many predictions because, really, if we all take care of our health and just keep practising hard then we might be able to go at full speed ahead for a lot longer than we assume right now. Being 55 seems tremendously old to me right now (laughs). I\u2019ll be there in 12 years of course though, and it might not seem that bad at all when I\u2019m there. As long as I stay fit and practising hard, we might not be ready to scale things back for quite a long time.\u201d<\/p>\n

In closing, Alex would like to express gratitude to those who\u2019ve supported Cannibal Corpse during their almost 25-year tenure. \u201cThank you so much for the support,\u201d he conveys. \u201cI can\u2019t tell you how much we appreciate it. It\u2019s just incredible to have this kind of a career, and yeah, without our fans it wouldn\u2019t have been possible. I want to thank our old fans and our new fans, but especially the ones who\u2019ve been with us the whole time, and there\u2019s definitely a handful of them that we run into. We appreciate that so much, but yeah, everybody \u2013 all of our fans. From someone who just started listening to us last week, to someone who\u2019s been listening to us for 25 years. We appreciate the support so much. Thank you.\u201d<\/p>\n

Dead Human Collection: 25 Years Of Death Metal<\/em> was released in North America on March 16th, 2013 and subsequently on March 18th in the United Kingdom, all via Metal Blade Records.<\/p>\n

Interview published in March 2013<\/em><\/p>\n

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