{"id":11472,"date":"2013-02-12T00:00:43","date_gmt":"2013-02-12T00:00:43","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/?p=11472"},"modified":"2014-02-18T20:11:57","modified_gmt":"2014-02-18T20:11:57","slug":"feature-hatriot-02-13-pt1","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/feature-hatriot-02-13-pt1\/","title":{"rendered":"HATRIOT – Weapons Of Thrash Destruction, Part One (February 2013) | Features \/ Interviews @ Metal Forces Magazine"},"content":{"rendered":"

HATRIOT – Weapons Of Thrash Destruction<\/strong><\/span>
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\nCalifornian thrash metal outfit Hatriot formed in 2010, erstwhile Exodus frontman Steve \u2018Zetro\u2019 Souza attending a live concert at which drummer and son Nicholas performed in a band situation. Also performing that evening as part of a collective was guitarist Kosta Varvatakis, who Steve spoke to that very evening. The gig in question was the last Kosta participated in as a member of said group, the axeman departing. Kosta had authored several compositions, cutting a demo which lacked vocals. <\/p>\n

\u201cI wrote some vocals to them and recorded them,\u201d remembers Steve, co-founder and vocalist of Hatriot. \u201cI let some people hear it like the guys in Testament, guys like Phil Demmel (Machine Head guitarist). Andy Sneap (producer \/ ex-Sabbat guitarist) heard it; a lot of people heard it. They were all like \u2018Man, it sounds a lot like Legacy, a lot like Exodus. This is what people want from you.\u2019 <\/p>\n

\u201cWe talked about it a little bit, and so him I and started it. We pieced it together slowly. We actually had another guitar player named Drew (Andrew Gage), and we actually had another drummer named Alex (Bent). Over the last two-and-a-half to three years we\u2019ve written songs, and gone through a couple of members. We have a solid line-up now, got a record deal, and went through all these kinds of things. We\u2019re at a point where we\u2019ve recorded the record, and the record has come out. It wasn\u2019t an overnight thing. It has taken me a couple of years to get this going, but we\u2019re all very excited about it and very excited by what\u2019s to come.\u201d<\/p>\n

Son Nicholas Souza was the first port of call to fulfil Hatriot\u2019s vacant drumming position, but it wasn\u2019t initially to be. \u201cNick\u2019s speed wasn\u2019t up to par, to where it needed to be,\u201d the frontman feels. \u201cWe started with Nick actually, and the two guitar players at the time came up to me and said \u2018Nick\u2019s not cutting it.\u2019 This was probably in January or February of 2010. Nick wasn\u2019t even out of high school yet, but over those two years he practised and so on. It came down to the fact that Alex wanted to play with this band called Arkaik, and Alex wanted to play with Decrepit Birth. Alex wanted to play with every band that would ask him to play, and I really didn\u2019t want that. I wanted it be \u2018If you\u2019re gonna play with me, you\u2019re gonna play in my band and you\u2019re gonna play here.\u2019 He moved on, and we talked to a couple of different drummers. <\/p>\n

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\u201cAndy Galeon actually \u2013 formerly of Death Angel \u2013 was very interested in trying out. He was gonna try to come back to it. Nicholas said he could do it though, so we brought him into rehearsal one night and he just fucking nailed it. It was amazing, so we practised with him for like three weeks and I finally gave him the gig. I didn\u2019t want to. I was very much reluctant to. I didn\u2019t want the industry to think that it was nepotism on my part, because I already had one son in the band. Nick came in and kicked ass though. I think both of the boys did an amazing job. It doesn\u2019t sound like it\u2019s a first record for them, for any of them actually. <\/p>\n

\u201cThey were up against my history, you know what I mean? I hammered that into them. I was like \u2018Look, we can\u2019t go out there and just put something out so it\u2019s on my name.\u2019 \u2018Oh, Zetro\u2019s making a comeback and he\u2019s got this new album out.\u2019 They will fucking skewer us. We know that, and I don\u2019t want that. Everything I\u2019ve ever done musically I think is very credible, and especially being my baby that I started, I didn\u2019t want for this to be \u2018This is okay. There\u2019s a couple of good songs on it.\u2019 I want it to be as good as Legacy and I want it to be as good as Exodus, which I think it is. Very much so. <\/p>\n

\u201cThe boys knew how well I wanted it, and how good it had to be. Nick knew how fast it had to be, and Cody (Souza, Hatriot\u2019s bassist as well as Nick\u2019s brother) as well. Both of the guitar players, Miguel (Esparza) and Kosta, knew that this record had to be as good as something that followed Tempo Of The Damned<\/em> (February 2004). I think when we went into rehearsals for it, everybody knew what they were up against. At the live shows too, every one of them carries themselves professionally and I think my boys too because they\u2019ve been around it longer. Both of the guitar players as well are very, very strong though presence-wise as well as in the studio, and writing music. They\u2019re young but they\u2019re very much professional, which makes it easier for me.\u201d<\/p>\n

The departure of sticksman Alex Bent wasn\u2019t by mutual consent. \u201cHe didn\u2019t really leave of his own accord, because he wanted to play with us,\u201d Steve clarifies. \u201cThe problem was that we knew that we were about ready to get signed and record the record. My whole thing was that everybody needs to be at rehearsal every night for four to five nights a week as we go in to do this, which was probably gonna be two and a half months. He was like \u2018Well, I\u2019ve gotta go on the road with Arkaik for five weeks.\u2019 I was like \u2018If you\u2019re the drummer and you leave, then we stop. It just stops and we have to wait for you.\u2019 I tried to sell him on the point that I\u2019m a proven commodity in metal, that I was part of the beginning of thrash metal and that carries some weight here. I played in Exodus and I\u2019ve written for Testament, so I\u2019ve got some validity to speak of. I told him that if he had patience, then he would get those things. <\/p>\n

\u201cHe just couldn\u2019t sit still for five minutes, but I wouldn\u2019t necessarily say he was fired. It was Hatriot having to move on, and him having to deal with that. He had other gigs, and he chose to take those gigs. Had he said \u2018No Steve. I wanna be here; I really believe in you, and I love what you\u2019re doing in Hatriot,\u2019 then there wouldn\u2019t have been a problem. My son (Nick) knows in that respect. He wants to play with his dad, and he isn\u2019t looking down the road to play with anybody else. All the members that I have in this band now are very much proud of what they\u2019ve done, and they want to be there. It seems like this will be a solid line-up for years to come.\u201d<\/p>\n

An advertisement was published on May 29th, 2012, the advertisement publicising the fact that Hatriot sought a drummer. Nick would eventually occupy the position behind the drumkit, however. \u201cI think his ferocity had improved, and just his confidence,\u201d the lyricist observes. \u201cHonestly, that\u2019s the major thing. You have to have confidence in extreme metal, and as a metal drummer. He\u2019s watched his heroes, and his friends as well because of me being in the business. I know drummers, and people who play. His heroes are John Tempesta (ex-Exodus \/ ex-Testament), Joey Jordison (Slipknot), Dave McClain (Machine Head), people that he\u2019s got to know and got to see are awesome, incredible drummers who just nail it, and are great guys. That\u2019s what he had to hold up to, and those are the things that I said to him. It wasn\u2019t like \u2018Okay, you\u2019re my son, and I\u2019m sure you\u2019re just gonna walk right into this.\u2019 If you wanna be like your heroes, you have to work hard. He did, and he had to put the time in. <\/p>\n

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\u201cWatching him play, he actually plays the Hatriot songs better than Alex and I didn\u2019t think that was gonna be possible. He does though. To watch Nicholas play drums is like watching a young Dave Lombardo (Slayer<\/a>). He hits the same way; he attacks the set the same way, and so it just adds an element. We were in rehearsal the other day, and after rehearsal I talked to Kosta. He said \u2018Nick is just on fire,\u2019 and the guy who runs our studio said \u2018Man, Nick is on just top of it tonight.\u2019 I go \u2018I know. He\u2019s just a really, really good, solid, confident drummer,\u2019 and it really shows when we watch him play, and when we\u2019re writing songs he\u2019s very much involved. He might say \u2018Let\u2019s play the song at this speed, and see what it sounds like.\u2019 He\u2019s very much involved in it. Kosta has already written three songs for the next Hatriot album, so we\u2019re already starting to work on that.\u201d<\/p>\n

One would naturally assume that mainly the thrash genre informs the playing of bassist Cody Souza, Nick\u2019s older brother and Steve\u2019s eldest son. This isn\u2019t the case, though. \u201cI think he\u2019s more influenced by The Black Dahlia Murder, and Faceless,\u201d Steve cites. \u201cCody\u2019s not thrash. He loves thrash, and his dad was one of the innovators of thrash (laughs). He grew up on thrash, but if you were to get into Cody\u2019s car right now he\u2019s listening to The Black Dahlia Murder, he\u2019s listening to that technical stuff. Cody\u2019s very much all fingers; he plays a five-string bass, and his fingers are up and down that thing. Two other guys tried out at the time Cody came into the band, and he had the same pressure. He was like \u2018Dad, do you think I\u2019m good enough?,\u2019 I was like \u2018Dude, are you kidding me? Yes, you\u2019re good enough, but I don\u2019t want the other guys thinking that this is my band and they have to take on my kid, and that\u2019s the way it is.\u2019 <\/p>\n

\u201cI didn\u2019t want that element, so I said \u2018You have to go in there, and you have to play with them.\u2019 He played with them, they liked him, and that\u2019s how he got it. He really knows that his craft is very much important, and his stage presence is really, really good \u2013 very much professional \u2013 and his playing is top notch. He\u2019s learnt from watching guys like Jack Gibson (Exodus). I think Jack is an amazing bass player for Exodus; Jack\u2019s much better than Rob McKillop (ex-Exodus) ever was. Like I said, The Black Dahlia Murder, The Faceless; those are his bands. He loves that type of stuff. All Shall Perish, As I Lay Dying; he loves those types of bands, but Cody is very well schooled on what to play metal wise.\u201d<\/p>\n

The Hatriot mainman purchased an ESP bass guitar off of Exodus member Jack Gibson, the instrument a present for Cody. \u201cWe had this rotten little bass around the house, and that was his mother\u2019s,\u201d he recalls. \u201cWe were married at the time, but we\u2019re not married anymore. There was this rotten bass sitting around that was really heavy, and he used to pluck at it all of the time. Jack was going to a new endorsement. I think he was no longer with ESP and was going with Yamaha, so he couldn\u2019t play ESP anymore. When you endorse a company you have to play what you endorse, so he said \u2018Do you want to buy this bass off of me? I\u2019ll sell you this bass really cheap.\u2019 I said \u2018Sure.\u2019 I bought it from him, came home one night, opened the case, and said \u2018There\u2019s a real bass. If you wanna be a bass player boy, his name is Steve Harris (Iron Maiden)… There\u2019s the bass. Learn how to play.\u2019 He picked it up, and he learned how to play that bass. He played in a band that was kind of like Amon Amarth; he played in that band for two years, and that\u2019s where he learned about playing in a band. He jammed with a couple of other guys, and then he got the opportunity to try out for the bass position in Hatriot. He\u2019s been playing since he was 13 and he\u2019ll be 23 this year, so he\u2019s been playing for ten years.\u201d<\/p>\n

Separating his roles as Hatriot\u2019s frontman as well as being a father is arguably a difficult task. \u201cThey intertwine, they definitely intertwine,\u201d Steve concedes. \u201cThere\u2019s some stuff that I have to tell them. Those two like to be lazy, for example. I\u2019ll tell Nicholas and Cody to do something, and they go \u2018I will Dad, I will.\u2019 The next week I\u2019ll then say \u2018Hey man, did you take care of that?\u2019 \u2018Oh shit… No… I\u2019ll get to it.\u2019 Then I\u2019ll be all pissed off and go \u2018No… You need to do it now.\u2019 Now they\u2019re getting interviews \u2013 people wanna talk to them. The other day they had two written interviews that they had to do for a couple of fanzines, which I want them to do. I called them, and said \u2018Did you guys take care of those interviews?\u2019 They go \u2018Oh no… We haven\u2019t done that yet\u2019 and I just started yelling at them, going \u2018This is time-sensitive material. You need to get this shit together. I don\u2019t care care if you wanna mess around in your real life, but don\u2019t you mess around here.\u2019 They go \u2018Alright, alright… We\u2019ll get it done tonight.\u2019 I then called them later. \u2018Did you get those interviews done?\u2019 \u2018Yeah, we got those interviews done.\u2019 <\/p>\n

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\u201cBeing the lead singer and the father definitely very much intertwines. They\u2019re just kids though, just kids. Their attention span is short, but not the older one. The older one is more responsible. Nicholas, I\u2019ve gotta kick his ass to do everything. Cody, I tell him once and he gets it done. \u2018Nick. Please, tell me you\u2019ve got that done… Please, tell me you\u2019ve got that done… Please, mother of lord tell me you\u2019ve got that done.\u2019 That\u2019s how Nick is, but he gets it done. I\u2019ve gotta remind myself he\u2019s a teenager; he\u2019s still a teenager, and he\u2019s still a kid. He\u2019s now playing in a major band with his dad, and the whole world is looking at him. He has a record out, so he has to try to step up and mature really fast.\u201d<\/p>\n

Cody and Nick are full brothers, sharing the same mother. \u201cI was married to their mother for almost 19 years,\u201d the songwriter divulges. \u201cWe\u2019re actually divorced; we got divorced in 2008. I actually have another child with her as well. I have a 14-year-old daughter, so Cody and Nicholas have a sister. She\u2019s actually a very, very good singer. She sings in a choir, but she still goes to school and that kind of thing. Cody and Nicholas actually live together. They have an apartment in town about 15 minutes away from my house, and they both have really, really good jobs. They pay their own rent, and pay their own bills. They\u2019re both responsible boys.\u201d<\/p>\n

Sharing an apartment as well as being brothers arguably provides much chemistry within Hatriot\u2019s rhythm section. \u201cAnd they practice together too,\u201d Steve adds. \u201cThere\u2019ll be times when even the guitar players and me are not there, and they\u2019ll go to the studio and practice for hours together. They\u2019re very much on the same page. It\u2019s a plus for me; it\u2019s a plus that the brothers live together. They do everything together; they\u2019re very good friends, and they\u2019ve got each other\u2019s backs. It\u2019s not like one lives with me and one lives with their mother, or one lives on their own. When we practice and there are two brothers playing there, they\u2019re very much a unit and they get it. I\u2019ll go to rehearsals, and usually they\u2019re the first two there. When I walk in I hear bass and drums going, and they\u2019re just playing some thrashy shit or going off together. They\u2019re very much in tune with each other as far as that goes, so that helps with everything, with music. Just with everything, it helps.\u201d<\/p>\n

Though Hatriot\u2019s stable features the familial trio of Steve, Cody, and Nick, the family\u2019s patriarch didn\u2019t initially plan to stand behind the microphone stand. \u201cWhen we first put the band together, it was gonna be Nick, Kosta, and another singer,\u201d he admits. \u201cI wasn\u2019t gonna sing \u2013 I was just gonna lead them along. I didn\u2019t wanna do this again. I was like \u2018Oh my God. I\u2019ve gotta come up with a name, and then come up with all that stuff, and then have a guy design the logo, and then hire members, and then write songs, and then do a demo, and then shop the demo, and then play gigs in little clubs and stuff.\u2019 I knew what it took, and I wasn\u2019t really ready for that again I guess. Once \u2018The Fear Within\u2019 and \u2018Weapons Of Class Destruction\u2019… Those two were actually on the demo. I don\u2019t know if you ever heard the demo, but that\u2019s what got me to do this again. Those two songs were really good. I wanted to do this, because I loved this. <\/p>\n

\u201cAs much as people have asked me \u2018When are you gonna rejoin Exodus? You need to rejoin Exodus?,\u2019 that\u2019s never gonna happen. They have a great singer, and he does his job. I was in the band over an 18-year period (1986-2004). Let it go. I love Hatriot. There\u2019s two great bands now, and I\u2019m not going anywhere. We\u2019ve signed a multi-album deal with Massacre, and I plan on releasing an album every single year to a year and a half like normal bands should do. Put a record out, do a world tour, and when that record starts to slide a little bit, go back into the studio, and then record another one. We have several songs right now for the next record; I already have song titles for the next album too. I\u2019m not gonna waste any time, because I wanna be out playing. I wanna be out on tour. My boys are older now and they\u2019re in the band with me, so this is just the beginning of big things with these guys.\u201d<\/p>\n

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If Exodus guitarist and mainman Gary Holt ever offered Steve the opportunity to return to earlier pastures, the thrash veteran is adamant he would decline. \u201cI would definitely turn him down, definitely,\u201d he stresses. \u201cThat would put this on hiatus, and why would I do that? I\u2019ve worked so hard in the last two years to create this. This is the way I look at it; I built Testament. I even put Chuck Billy (Testament vocalist) there \u2013 handpicked him \u2013 so I built that hot rod about 27 years ago. I\u2019ve just built me a new hot rod, brand new with brand new parts. I\u2019m not gonna let this steel \u2013 hot rod get away again \u2013 I wouldn\u2019t jeopardise that. If I was to rejoin Exodus again, that means I would have to put Hatriot on hold and go write music, and be on their schedule, and I couldn\u2019t do that. That\u2019s not possible, because my schedule now is on Hatriot\u2019s schedule. We\u2019re gonna go out on tour. However strong the record is, we\u2019re gonna keep that tour going. As soon as I see it starting to cool, we\u2019re coming home, recording another record, and putting it out. That\u2019s why we\u2019re writing songs right now, so we can do those types of things. <\/p>\n

\u201cYou\u2019re not missing me; you\u2019re getting a record every year and a half. I\u2019m not trying to make you wait three to four years for a new record. Exhibit B: The Human Condition<\/em> I think came out in (May) 2010, the last Exodus record, and it\u2019s now 2013. That was three years ago. I\u2019m not gonna do that, and I don\u2019t wanna to do that. I wanna keep putting out new music, and the next record is gonna be better than Heroes Of Origin<\/em><\/a> (Hatriot\u2019s 2013 debut full-length). I can just tell by the three songs we\u2019ve already written it\u2019s great, that it\u2019s good stuff. It\u2019s the type of stuff that people wanna hear me sing, so you can\u2019t get me in Exodus but I would say this is pretty damn the next best thing.\u201d<\/p>\n

Jeff Hanneman \u2013 guitarist of Californian thrash metal quartet Slayer \u2013 underwent emergency surgery in late January 2011 resulting from a serious infection. Possibly contracted through a spider bite, necrotizing fasciitis was diagnosed as being the cause. The majority of Slayer live dates since that time have included Gary handling guitar duties. \u201cSure, and that\u2019s the other thing,\u201d the singer continues. \u201cGary\u2019s so much busy with them, so does he really have time to sit down and write a record with Exodus? I love that, and I\u2019m glad for him. Good for him, because Slayer\u2019s a great band. To get an opportunity to play with a band like that, especially when you\u2019re a guitar player like Gary… Gary\u2019s phenomenal. I don\u2019t know if you\u2019ve seen it, but I saw him with Slayer in 2012 at NAMM. He\u2019s phenomenal with Slayer; I love him with Slayer. It\u2019s a great job. He fills in for Jeff, and you can really tell. Gary and Kerry (King guitars) together are fucking awesome and good for him, but right now I\u2019m building Hatriot. I\u2019ve been asked that question before, and I\u2019ve just said that I wouldn\u2019t do it. I think he knows now that I wouldn\u2019t rejoin, and I think his pride wouldn\u2019t allow that at all. I don\u2019t think Rob\u2019s (Dukes, Exodus vocalist) going anywhere; I think Rob does a good job, so I think they\u2019ll be okay.\u201d<\/p>\n

Rumours exist which state Gary is a fully-fledged member of Slayer, and that Jeff Hanneman is physically unable to play guitar on a permanent basis. \u201cI have heard that \u2013 I\u2019ve heard that too,\u201d Steve confesses. \u201cIf he is in Slayer, then do you think he\u2019s gonna do a new Exodus album? I know that Exodus is touring with Anthrax, Municipal Waste, High On Fire, and somebody else in the United States. It\u2019s called the Metal Alliance tour, and that\u2019s through March and April 2013. I know that that\u2019s happening, but other than that? Maybe that\u2019s Exodus\u2019 last tour. I don\u2019t know.\u201d<\/p>\n

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Gary disbanding Exodus to pursue Slayer commitments would be a surprise, given the 30-plus years the man has spent building and nurturing the ensemble. \u201cI agree, but Slayer?,\u201d the Hatriot co-founder queries. \u201cC\u2019mon. Exodus plays to how many people? And Slayer plays to how many people? It\u2019s night and day. Those guys are millionaires, and the Exodus guys are broke. At this point in your life, if you\u2019re gonna get an opportunity to play in a band that carries some weight financially and stability from what I understand… Jeff\u2019s probably not gonna play guitar again, and that\u2019s what I understand. I don\u2019t know the parameters of it so I wouldn\u2019t like to comment on it and say something that isn\u2019t true, but from what I understand the spider bit him pretty bad and his arm is pretty messed up. That would be the normal thing to do I guess.\u201d<\/p>\n

For a potential union between Gary and Slayer to prove successful, the band would have to welcome songwriting contributions from the Exodus guitarist. \u201cI think they would be stupid not to, and that\u2019s what he is,\u201d Steve reckons. \u201cHe\u2019s an amazing lyricist and an amazing songwriter, so why would you not do that? He is in my eyes, anyway.\u201d<\/p>\n

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