{"id":1033,"date":"2011-02-18T00:00:45","date_gmt":"2011-02-18T00:00:45","guid":{"rendered":"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/?p=1033"},"modified":"2013-05-30T23:31:22","modified_gmt":"2013-05-30T23:31:22","slug":"feature-flotsam-and-jetsam-02-11","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/feature-flotsam-and-jetsam-02-11\/","title":{"rendered":"FLOTSAM AND JETSAM &#8211; The Millennial Cold (February 2011) | Features \/ Interviews @ Metal Forces Magazine"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><span class=\"title\"><strong>FLOTSAM AND JETSAM &#8211; The Millennial Cold<\/strong><\/span><br \/>\n<span class=\"smalltitle\">Anthony Morgan<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: arial; font-size: 8pt\">February 2011<\/span><\/p>\n<div class=\"image floatedright\">\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/wp-content\/themes\/metalforces\/images\/spacer.gif\" width=\"10\" border=\"0\"><\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/flotsamandjetsam2010promophoto.jpg\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td>\n<div align=\"left\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><b><em>Flotsam And Jetsam (l-r): Jason Ward, Craig Nielsen, Eric \u2018A.K.\u2019 <br \/>Knutson (bottom row), Mark Simpson and Ed Carlson<\/em><\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<p>The Great Recession which surfaced in the late 2000s has affected all spectrums, with the heavy metal sphere being no exception. With the genre arguably being a cult phenomenon to some extent, those who practice its arts tend to do so on a part-time basis, juggling musical commitments with the commitments of conventional employment. Dwindling live performance ticket sales as well as dwindling album sales haven\u2019t alleviated matters, the effects of the recession taking their toll. One metal group who can attest to this is Phoenix, Arizona thrash contingent Flotsam And Jetsam, whose guitarist of 13 years (1997-2010) in Mark Simpson waved farewell to the music world in light of the financial uncertainty which goes with the territory.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cHis family has a company in Arizona that are looking to compete and be a huge telecommunications company along the lines of AT&#038;T and Sprint, and all those out here,\u201d explains Craig Nielsen, drummer for Flotsam And Jetsam since 1997. \u201cTimes are so unbelievably bad  in the United States right now \u2013 for our history, it\u2019s as bad as the Great Depression. There\u2019s no more middle class people in this country really; you have the rich, and then you have everybody else \u2013 they\u2019ve really eliminated the middle class. You could make $70,000 here a year and still struggle your ass off. Mark had an opportunity to have some security, and he didn\u2019t wanna appear flaky. He wouldn\u2019t have been able to convince them that he was serious if he was still gonna do records and tour. He just decided that at this stage in his life he had already experienced all his rock\u2019n\u2019roll dreams, and he wanted to have security. I would have to say that I would have probably done the same thing; if there was a company that\u2019s trying to compete with AT&#038;T maybe not today but in the future, a growing company, and it\u2019s my family\u2019s company, and they wanna give me an opportunity, I think I\u2019d jump on it right now. I personally have been out of work for eight months and I have a pretty good background, so I\u2019m very, very concerned about my future. If somebody offered me genuine security today, I\u2019d have to take a good, hard look at that. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI\u2019ve played in 16 countries and I\u2019ve done four studio and three live records with this band, so I\u2019ve accomplished my goals. I don\u2019t know why I would forego future security long-term to do another record or to do another tour, but it just so happens that I\u2019ve been lucky and the rest of the band members have been lucky enough that we seem to get into employment situations that are flexible, situations which allow us to go on tour and allow us to take time off for this or for that. If they put the whip down though and said \u2018Listen, you have to make a choice\u2019, everybody would have to take a very hard look at that. A few years ago, you could change jobs every month. Today, you\u2019re lucky if you have a job at all. There\u2019s 25 million unemployed people in this country right now, and I happen to live in the city that has the worst unemployment in the whole of the United States \u2013 Las Vegas. Over 20% of people are unemployed here. We\u2019re all very, very nervous for our future as far as economics go, and that was never really the issue just as recently as a few years ago. It\u2019s just a new reality today here, and it doesn\u2019t appear to be getting any better. In fact it appears to be getting a whole lot worse, so these things have to be weighed appropriately and you have to make intelligent decisions for your future.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mark Simpson was offered financial security courtesy of his family, and wholeheartedly accepted. Given the uncertain times which follow as a result of the Great Recession, who can blame him? If you were also offered financial security but had to leave Flotsam And Jetsam Craig, would you have to seriously consider such an offer? \u201cI sure would, and I\u2019m telling ya; I\u2019m 44, and so is pretty much everybody else in this band. When you\u2019re 44 and are staring into the future&#8230; Ok, just a couple of statistics: the real estate market is than when it was during the Great Depression. In the Great Depression, real estate fell about 28% from its high. Well, real estate has already fallen over 30% in this depression \u2013 it\u2019s fallen over 30%, and all the experts say it\u2019s got another 20-50% to go. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cThey\u2019re trying so hard on the news to paint a rosy picture about how this and that might be improving, but everything is just horrifying. Pensions are three trillion dollars short, everybody\u2019s losing their 401(k)\u2019s. It\u2019s just so unbelievably scary right now if you\u2019re paying into a pension. Most people in the United States just keep their head in the ground and pretend that it\u2019s not happening. They don\u2019t wanna watch the news \u2013 they don\u2019t care. They think that it\u2019ll be alright, that it\u2019s gonna get better. I pay attention, and from what I see it\u2019s not getting better. It\u2019s getting nothing but worse and worse and worse, so yeah, I\u2019m scared. I ain\u2019t gonna lie. I\u2019m scared, and if it came down to being a drummer or surviving into my old age, I\u2019d have to pick surviving. So far though, every job I seem to get seems to be very supportive of my double life. We only go on tour for a few weeks a year. Everybody\u2019s been able to manage it in both ways \u2013 being in a band and having a job \u2013 but Mark felt that he needed to go head-first into the job and just put everything else behind him, so that\u2019s what his decision was.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"image floatedleft\">\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/flotsamandjetsam2011craignielsenpromophoto.jpg\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td>\n<div align=\"left\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><b><em>Craig Nielsen<\/em><\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/wp-content\/themes\/metalforces\/images\/spacer.gif\" width=\"10\" border=\"0\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<p>The drummer\u2019s employment was terminated in roughly April 2010 as he mentioned, his position difficult to sustain at a time when consumers are tightening their belts. \u201cI worked at Caesar\u2019s Palace Casino here selling way overpriced art, just high-end retail \/ sales,\u201d Craig divulges. \u201cBefore the economic crash, you could make good money in Las Vegas selling anything because millions and millions of people visited this place and bought things and this is where they came to spend their money. It\u2019s a double-edged sword though when you\u2019re in Las Vegas; when the economy sucks you get it the worst because everybody stops coming, and then when the economy is good you get it the best because everybody\u2019s coming. It just so happens now that it\u2019s the worst, so even though there\u2019s still a lot of people coming here, they\u2019re not spending any money. You get a lower class crowd that just wants to drink beer and that sort of thing. They\u2019re not spending thousands of dollars on necessary shit for their house, which is basically what I\u2019ve been doing out here for four years: selling high-end retail products for the home, usually art.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Previously, issues with alcoholism had encouraged the departure of Ed Carlson, the man having played guitar with the unit for no less than 27 years (1983-2010). This brought about the return of Michael Gilbert (1985-1997) following his exit 13 years earlier, his return being confirmed on March 11th, 2010. With Mark Simpson confirming his departure on December 12th, the permanent return of Ed Carlson seems to be very much on the cards. \u201cMichael came back for our last tour to replace Ed,\u201d clarifies Craig. \u201cEd left because he moved to California, became sober and wanted to concentrate on that. Ed was a partier his whole life; he drank, did things that he shouldn\u2019t have done, and he decided at some point that he was done with all that, and that he wanted to change his life. He moved to a beach in California and he started a new life, and he felt that Flotsam And Jetsam was gonna be a negative aspect of that. When you go on tour and do shows, you\u2019re surrounded by people drinking, smoking and this, that and the other, and he wasn\u2019t doing any of that. He knew that that would be the case with every show he went to, so he decided to put that behind him at least for now. So anyway, Michael Gilbert replaced Ed and played with Mark.\u201d <\/p>\n<p>\u201cNow Mark has left, Ed came back for a show. We just played Mexico City two days ago and Ed did that show with us, so it was Ed and Michael together onstage for the first time in like 16 years. Whether or not Ed stays, which would be the ideal situation for the obvious reason \u2013 which is now we have the two original guitar players \u2013 remains to be seen. That\u2019s up to Ed, and I\u2019m not putting any pressure on Ed to make that decision right now because there\u2019s no need to. There\u2019s no tour. We are gonna make another record, but we won\u2019t even record that record until the fall of next year so there\u2019s no need to put any pressure on him. The more time that goes on where Ed stays sober and learns how to deal with that, the less he will fear coming back into the band full-time because he\u2019ll know how to conduct his life as a sober person and not worry about what other people are doing. I have a feeling that hopefully Ed will choose to stay in the band because there\u2019s not a whole lot of commitment there. He\u2019ll record records and he\u2019ll do a few shows here and there, so I\u2019m hoping that Ed is the permanent replacement for Mark Simpson, but I can\u2019t confirm that yet.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Obviously, the hope is that Ed Carlson permanently returns, but if that isn\u2019t the case, is there a need to recruit a second axeman, or can Michael Gilbert handle sole guitar duties? \u201cMichael Gilbert could do another record and record all the parts in the studio, and then we could hire another guitar player to do the shows. This is a two guitar player band though, so it\u2019s either gonna be Ed or somebody else.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Mark Simpson\u2019s swansong statement with Flotsam And Jetsam was <em>The Cold<\/em>, Flotsam And Jetsam\u2019s tenth studio full-length. Issued on September 14th, 2010, the record is the group\u2019s debut outing for Driven Music Group. \u201cBasically, we were on Crash Music for <em>Dreams Of Death<\/em>. Crash Music became a part of Driven Music, but it took a little bit of time,\u201d Craig remarks. \u201cWe didn\u2019t know Brian Welch at all; the owner of Crash Music is Mark Nawara, and Mark Nawara had a relationship with Brian and with Brian\u2019s manager whose name is Greg Shanaberger. Brian, Greg and Mark formed Driven all together as an entity. Mark suggested that Driven take on Flotsam as one of their first signings because he\u2019s a big fan of the band, and he released <em>Live In Japan<\/em> which didn\u2019t get released on CD, but as a live DVD from Tokyo. Mark released that first under Crash Music, and then offered us to go into the studio to make <em>Dreams Of Death<\/em> \u2013 which we did. Crash then folded and reopened as Driven, so that was all done between Mark, Brian and Greg. We didn\u2019t have anything to do with that.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"image floatedright\">\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/wp-content\/themes\/metalforces\/images\/spacer.gif\" width=\"10\" border=\"0\"><\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/flotsamandjetsam_thecold.jpg\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td>\n<div align=\"left\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><b><em>The Cold<\/em><\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<p><em>The Cold<\/em> sold 600 copies in the United States in its first week of release, landing at position 80 on the Top New Artists Albums chart. Driven Music Group has a distribution deal with Warner Music Group, but having said that, in light of the label\u2019s lack of a track record is Flotsam And Jetsam happy with how Driven Music Group promoted <em>The Cold<\/em> in the United States? \u201cEvery band that doesn\u2019t sell well will blame this and that,\u201d stresses Craig. \u201cToday, we have satellite radio; back in the day, metal bands had to fight and fight and fight to get on the radio, and they hardly ever did. There were payments going on and back-room deals going on, but really the main objective was to get on the radio \u2013 it wasn\u2019t necessarily to have ads in magazines. There\u2019s hardly any magazines anymore. I don\u2019t think fans buy records because of ads in magazines \u2013 I think fans buy records because they hear a song, whether it\u2019s through a friend or on the radio. We got on regular rotation on Sirius XM Satellite Radio, which was very important. There\u2019s 20 million subscribers to that in the United States. I don\u2019t know if you know Howard Stern, but he\u2019s an extremely famous personality who went to Sirius Radio and when he did, millions and millions of people followed him. One of the stations on Sirius is called Liquid Metal, and Liquid Metal decided on their own to pick up the record and start playing it, and they played it every day, several times a day. In my opinion, if your record\u2019s good enough fans will hear about it and they\u2019ll buy it. Back in the day, promotion was more obvious; you had to take out ads because there was no other thing to do, and hopefully the visuals of the ad would generate interest from people. Today though, you can download files, you can listen to clips, you can go on our website and listen, and there\u2019s YouTube. I mean, Jesus, we\u2019re on every single social media website there is; we have MySpace, we have Facebook and we have this and that. I don\u2019t know what a label\u2019s supposed to do to make it happen. We\u2019re on the radio, and we\u2019re on the social media websites \u2013 what more can they do?<\/p>\n<p>\u201cI don\u2019t really blame the label for success or failure. Mark Nawara got us our deal with Nuclear Blast in Europe and Australia and Japan, and that was tremendous work. The label also had North American distribution through Warner Brothers, which was tremendous. Other people in the band might disagree or whatever, but I think that they did all they could. They gave us a fair budget to go into the studio, we got a great engineer (Ralph Patlan) who had a reputation, we used great gear, and we had Travis Smith as our artist who\u2019s a tremendous artist \u2013 and he got us great visuals for the cover. I mean, fuck. I don\u2019t know what more we can ask for. If the record\u2019s gonna sell, I don\u2019t think it\u2019s because of the label taking out ads in the two magazines that are left in the country. I personally haven\u2019t looked in a magazine in such a long time, and that\u2019s not where I find out about music \u2013 I find it on the radio. I think that the cream rises to the top. If fans are gonna buy your record then they\u2019re gonna buy it, but if they\u2019re not then they\u2019re not, and that\u2019s all there is to it. I don\u2019t blame anybody.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>In retrospect, Crash Music\u2019s transition into Driven Music Group proved beneficial. \u201cIt gave us more time to write,\u201d notes Craig. \u201cWe spent a lot more time actually in the writing process, and then Mark Simpson \u2013 the main songwriter for the record \u2013 bought a lot of upgraded gear for his home studio so that he could make more professional demos for the songs. We had better gear to work out ideas, and we had more time to work out the ideas. I spent more time with Mark working out the ideas, so we were just more careful at that end of the process. We rehearsed a lot more for the songs, so we were committed to making this record very good and then we were very confident that the engineer \/ producer that we were gonna use knew how to get good metal tones. We were very disappointed with the mix for the previous record and we were gonna make sure not to make that mistake again, so we got a real metal engineer who had a lot of experience with <a href=\"\/site\/megadeth-articles\/\" target=\"_blank\">Megadeth<\/a>. In fact, Ralph remixed Megadeth\u2019s whole catalogue with Dave Mustaine and he\u2019s worked with Michael Schenker. We had a great engineer and we recorded in a great room with some vintage microphones and great guitars, so it was just more professional all the way through from top to bottom really.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>So in terms of the playing and the mix, <em>The Cold<\/em> is a superior record from the band\u2019s perspective? \u201cYou love every record that you do obviously or you wouldn\u2019t release them. You wouldn\u2019t have any integrity if you released records that you didn\u2019t feel were strong, but what ends up happening a lot of the time is even if you get a good mix then the mastering can fuck it all up. That\u2019s what happened with <em>Unnatural Selection<\/em>; we thought the mix was great in the studio when we were sitting in the studio, but then they sent it to a mastering house who added more bass drum and so on. It didn\u2019t sound half as good when it was mastered than when it was mixed, so you have to stay on top of the whole process. As far as the songwriting itself though, we felt good about every record we\u2019ve ever done. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cI went back and listened to <em>Dreams Of Death<\/em> just a few days ago. I hadn\u2019t listened to it actually in a couple of years, and I think the songs on that record are really great, I really do. I just think that what was missing on that record was that the engineer wasn\u2019t really a metal engineer, and we had faith that he could figure it out. In the end though he didn\u2019t, so we made a mistake there and we learnt from that mistake \u2013 you always learn from your mistakes. When it comes to writing songs  we feel like we always put a 100% into it though, but when you have more time to write, obviously more time usually equals a better outcome. We had more time, and we had better home recording equipment to work out ideas. I can\u2019t say enough how much that helps.\u201d<\/p>\n<div class=\"image floatedleft\">\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/flotsamandjetsam2011michaelgilbertpromophoto.jpg\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td>\n<div align=\"left\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><b><em>Michael Gilbert<\/em><\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/wp-content\/themes\/metalforces\/images\/spacer.gif\" width=\"10\" border=\"0\"><\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<p>Released in January 1999 via Metal Blade Records and the outfit\u2019s seventh studio set overall, <em>Unnatural Selection<\/em> was the first Flotsam And Jetsam album to feature Nielsen and Simpson. \u201cMark Simpson and I were hired on the same day, and we thought we were just going on the <em>High<\/em> tour,\u201d Craig continues. \u201c<em>High<\/em> was the record before <em>Unnatural Selection<\/em> and after the <em>High<\/em> record was released, that\u2019s when Kelly Smith and Michael Gilbert decided to leave the band. When I auditioned and got the gig and so did Mark, we thought ultimately that Mike and Kelly were gonna come back after the tour. I think that the band wanted to keep their options open because they didn\u2019t really know myself or Mark Simpson \u2013 they knew that they had to do a tour. We did a nice, long tour; we did eight weeks in the States with Nevermore, and we did four weeks in Europe with Anvil and Exciter. Mark and I never really knew until about the middle of that tour that the band wanted to just stick with us, so we didn\u2019t have a whole lot of songwriting ideas going into that band because we didn\u2019t really think we were gonna be the full-time band necessarily. When we got back from that tour, it was pretty much rushed. We had an opportunity to go into the studio and Metal Blade wanted to get us in right away, so we really didn\u2019t spend probably as much time as we should\u2019ve writing. In retrospect, I would say the record to me sounds&#8230; The songs are good, but they\u2019re not great. In retrospect, like I said. When we did it we were more excited about it obviously because it was Mark and I\u2019s first record, so we thought that the songs were fine, but hindsight as they say is 20-20. When I look back, I can say that we didn\u2019t spend enough time songwriting and then we got burnt by the mastering. It\u2019s a live and learn experience man. We learnt from that and then we brought the lessons that we learnt from that into <em>My God<\/em>, and I think that <em>My God<\/em> was a hell of a lot better than <em>Unnatural Selection<\/em> because like I said, we learnt some lessons and we didn\u2019t repeat our mistakes.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Do you feel the songs written for <em>My God<\/em> were superior to those written for <em>Unnatural Selection<\/em>? \u201cWell, I think this record has better songs than <em>My God<\/em>, but I sure think that <em>My God<\/em>\u2019s songs were better than <em>Unnatural Selection<\/em>\u2019s, and I think ultimately <em>My God<\/em>\u2019s also probably a better record than <em>Dreams Of Death<\/em>. When you have so many records, you can\u2019t say that they\u2019re all equal. You have to say \u2018This one\u2019s probably better than this one\u2019 and \u2018This one\u2019s probably better than that one\u2019, because it wouldn\u2019t be honest to say they\u2019re all great. I think <em>My God<\/em> was better than the other two, but I think this record clearly has better songs.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Dutch magazine <em>Aardschok<\/em> agreed with Craig\u2019s sentiments, naming <em>The Cold<\/em> as 2010\u2019s album of the year. \u201cI was blown away,\u201d Craig admits. \u201cWho was number two? Slash from Guns N\u2019 Roses, who\u2019s one of the most accomplished songwriters of all time if record sales are an indication. To beat Nevermore and Overkill and Death Angel and Exodus and all the rest of them was quite an honour. We had no idea \u2013 no idea \u2013 that that was gonna happen. Not only that, Powermetal.de \u2013 which is a huge, very important German website, and Germany is a very important country for metal as you know \u2013 gave it Album Of The Month in December over Mot\u00f6rhead. I mean, we beat Mot\u00f6rhead in Germany? I can\u2019t even fuckin\u2019 believe that for a minute. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cThe record has really hit the right chord with some people, and I think the reason being is simply because we have one of the best singers in metal, period. We don\u2019t try to write thrash songs and thrash songs because that would be wasting Eric \u2018A.K.\u2019\u2019s talent. Let\u2019s face it; the voice of the band is the signature, and A.K. has so much range and versatility with his voice that it would be a crime to try to write ten thrash songs because it just wouldn\u2019t make sense. We could do that, but it just doesn\u2019t make sense when you have a singer like A.K.. I think the best vocal on the record \u2013 and maybe ever in his career \u2013 is the ballad. Well, it\u2019s not a ballad but it has depressing lyrics. \u2018Better Off Dead\u2019 is obviously the slow song on the record, and it\u2019s where he sings the best. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cA.K. has so much versatility that I think that\u2019s what\u2019s making this record stand out; we have five mid-tempo songs and five faster songs, so when you get to the fast song it stands out because if you\u2019re doing ten fast songs, nothing stands out (laughs). I think it was just released at the right time, because I don\u2019t hear a lot of bands that are willing to try to experiment a little bit with their sound throughout a record. If you listen to the new Exodus or the new Overkill, it\u2019s all the same. I love those bands. I love Exodus; I couldn\u2019t love a thrash band more, but they\u2019re so pressured to be American thrash heroes that there\u2019s nowhere to go from there. When you start on ten, where do you go? There\u2019s no 11. Flotsam tries to take that into account; where you have \u2018Hypocrite\u2019 which is nice and mid-tempo, you then have \u2018Take\u2019 which is mid-tempo, and then you have something like \u2018Black Cloud\u2019 which is obviously much faster and thrashier. You then have \u2018Blackened Eyes Staring\u2019, and then it brings that back down with \u2018Better Off Dead.\u2019 <em>The Cold<\/em> then ends with \u2018Secret Life.\u2019 The album takes you on a little journey, and I just don\u2019t hear a lot of records doing that these days.<\/p>\n<p>\u201cThis whole record was written by Mark Simpson. We didn\u2019t sit down and have strategy meetings, and say \u2018Let\u2019s write half the record this way and half the record that way, and let\u2019s order the songs this way\u2019\u201d says Craig of <em>The Cold<\/em>. \u201cWe don\u2019t really have a lot of strategy sessions, for better or worse. We don\u2019t plan on what we\u2019re gonna wear. We don\u2019t take a lot of interest in the lyrics necessarily. To us, what\u2019s important is melody. I still can\u2019t tell you the words to \u2018Stairway To Heaven\u2019 (by <a href=\"\/site\/led-zeppelin-articles\/\" target=\"_blank\">Led Zeppelin<\/a>, from November 1971\u2019s <a href=\"\/site\/album-review-led-zeppelin-led-zeppelin-iv\/\"><em>Led Zeppelin IV<\/em><\/a>) except \u2018And she\u2019s buying a stairway to heaven\u2019 \u2013 I know that lyric, and \u2018When she gets there she knows.\u2019 Seriously though, I don\u2019t know half of the lyrics to the damn song I\u2019ve been listening to since I was ten. I don\u2019t really listen to lyrics, personally. I listen to melody and phrasing and the flow and how it all gels, but some people are very lyric-conscious. I don\u2019t happen to be.\u201d <\/p>\n<div class=\"image floatedright\">\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"http:\/\/www.metalforcesmagazine.com\/site\/wp-content\/themes\/metalforces\/images\/spacer.gif\" width=\"10\" border=\"0\"><\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"center\"><img decoding=\"async\" src=\"\/site\/wp-content\/uploads\/2011\/06\/flotsamandjetsam2011ericknutsonpromophoto.jpg\" border=\"0\"><\/p>\n<table width=\"100%\" align=\"center\" cellspacing=\"0\" cellpadding=\"0\" border=\"0\">\n<tr valign=\"top\">\n<td>\n<div align=\"left\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><b><em>Eric \u2018A.K.\u2019 Knutson<\/em><\/b><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<td>\n<div align=\"right\"><span class=\"smalltext\"><\/span><\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<\/td>\n<\/tr>\n<\/table>\n<\/div>\n<p>\u201cI think that we know what our strengths are, which are Eric \u2018A.K.\u2019\u2019s ability to find harmony and melody and counter-melody against whatever musical parts are thrown at him. He just has an extraordinary knack for that, so if there is anything that we set out to do as far as strategy \u2013 if you can call it that \u2013 is to write songs that are gonna give Eric the space to stretch his voice out in terms of melody. That\u2019s our strength, if anything, Eric\u2019s voice. Like I said, when we write we try to think about what Eric\u2019s gonna bring to any given part. People wonder if we sit there and really give a lot of concern to aspects of image and imagery and all that sort of thing. We don\u2019t. We just simply take advantage of what our strongest part is, and that\u2019s the fact that we have one of the better singers to ever exist in the metal world as far as I\u2019m concerned. He\u2019s on fuckin\u2019 fire, man. We just played in Mexico two days ago, and it was one of the best times I\u2019ve ever heard him sing. He never stops. Amazingly, he seems to get better. It\u2019s strange, because he smokes cigarettes and he doesn\u2019t necessarily take care of his voice, and he lives in the hottest desert environment in the United States. He works his ass off with his daytime job, but yet he\u2019ll still come up there and sing better and better and better. I have a hard time understanding how he does it. He\u2019s very gifted, let\u2019s put it that way.\u201d<\/p>\n<p>Craig makes a valid point regarding Exodus and Overkill, in that original thrash bands are pressured into writing solely thrash material, and the same can be said for Metallica\u2019s last outing <em>Death Magnetic<\/em>. So with all that being said, why hasn\u2019t Flotsam And Jetsam bowed down to such pressure? \u201c<em>Cuatro<\/em> was not a thrash record at all, and probably their most mellow record was <em>Drift<\/em>,\u201d the drummer reflects. \u201cThat\u2019s the one that the band would say they like the most, and that was before Mark and I even joined the band. It\u2019s just a natural evolution, man. We can\u2019t keep writing <em>Doomsday For The Deceiver<\/em>. When we do live shows, over half of our set is songs from <em>Doomsday For The Receiver<\/em> and <em>No Place For Disgrace<\/em> because we know that\u2019s what fans are coming for, and we know they wanna hear those songs. So fine, we give them what they want. <\/p>\n<p>\u201cBecause we play all those thrash songs live, we still feel that we\u2019re very much a thrash band. We take care of that need to be a thrash band in our performances, so that gives us the flexibility when we write a record to not have to be that thrash band all the time. When we play shows, it\u2019s not like we\u2019re playing mid-tempo songs. We\u2019re pretty much a full-on thrash band live; we give the audience what they want when they see us live, so when we do a record we feel that we need to continue to grow. We\u2019re not trying to be counter-cultural or counter-thrash or anything like that. The band has always had a history since the early 90s of experimenting with their sound, starting with <em>Cuatro<\/em>.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><em>The Cold<\/em> was released in North America on September 14th, 2010 through Driven Music Group, and subsequently in Europe on February 18th, 2011 through Nuclear Blast Records. <\/p>\n<p><em>Interview published in February 2011<\/em><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>FLOTSAM AND JETSAM &#8211; The Millennial Cold Anthony Morgan February 2011 Flotsam And Jetsam (l-r): Jason Ward, Craig Nielsen, Eric \u2018A.K.\u2019 Knutson (bottom row), Mark Simpson and Ed Carlson The Great Recession which surfaced in the late 2000s has affected all spectrums, with the heavy metal sphere being no exception. 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